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The top of instruments in the [[violin]] family are usually made of ''[[Picea abies]]'' wood and the wood structure is visible. It is therefore possible to measure the rings and match them towards available spruce (and fir) references. Useful references from central European mountains are listed below. But often the best matches are found towards other instruments, but unfortunately only quite a few ring series from instruments are published yet. They we are aware of are listed below.  
The top of instruments in the [[violin]] family are usually made of ''[[Picea abies]]'' wood and the wood structure is visible. It is therefore possible to measure the rings and match them towards available spruce (and fir) references. Useful references from central European mountains are listed below. But often the best matches are found towards other instruments, but unfortunately only quite a few ring series from instruments are published yet. Those we are aware of are listed below.  


==References potentially useful for dating violins==
==References potentially useful for dating violins==
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*{{itrdb|fran7|europe}}, 1659-1975, Mt. Ventoux, 1775 m, {{coord|44|10|N|5|15|E|display=inline|region:FR_type:country}}, [[ABAL]], [[F. Serre-Bachet]]
*{{itrdb|fran7|europe}}, 1659-1975, Mt. Ventoux, 1775 m, {{coord|44|10|N|5|15|E|display=inline|region:FR_type:country}}, [[ABAL]], [[F. Serre-Bachet]]
*{{itrdb|fran039|europe}}, 1732-1999, Mont Risoux, 1100 m, {{coord|46|38|N|6|05|E|display=inline|region:FR_type:country}}, [[D. McCormick]], [[J. Topham]], [[B. Michaud]]
*{{itrdb|fran039|europe}}, 1732-1999, Mont Risoux, 1100 m, {{coord|46|38|N|6|05|E|display=inline|region:FR_type:country}}, [[D. McCormick]], [[J. Topham]], [[B. Michaud]]
*{{itrdb|swit189|europe}}<ref>Still in the [ftp://ftp.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/paleo/treering/updates/ update section] only</ref>, (1773)1801-2007, Glarus GL, 1500m, {{coord|47|02|N|9|4|E|display=inline|region:CH_type:country}}, [[Christof Bigler]], [[Elisabeth Rötheli]]
*{{itrdb|swit204|europe}}, 1800-1990, Le Crêt rond, 970m, {{coord|46|53|N|6|34|E|display=inline|region:CH_type:country}}, [[O.U. Bräker]], [[A. Zingg]] 
*{{itrdb|swit193|europe}}<ref>Still in the [ftp://ftp.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/paleo/treering/updates/ update section] only</ref>, (1715)1742-2008, Vals GR Riefawald, 1900m, {{coord|46|37|N|9|12|E|display=inline|region:CH_type:country}}, Christof Bigler, [[Kathrin Kühne]]
*{{itrdb|swit203|europe}}, 1791-1998, Alptal AT, 1156 m, {{coord|47|03|N|8|43|E|display=inline|region:CH_type:country}}, [[P. Cherubini]
*{{itrdb|swit189|europe}}, (1773)1801-2007, Glarus GL, 1500m, {{coord|47|02|N|9|4|E|display=inline|region:CH_type:country}}, [[Christof Bigler]], [[Elisabeth Rötheli]]
*{{itrdb|swit193|europe}}, (1715)1742-2008, Vals GR Riefawald, 1900m, {{coord|46|37|N|9|12|E|display=inline|region:CH_type:country}}, Christof Bigler, [[Kathrin Kühne]]
*{{itrdb|swit177|europe|w}}<ref>The [[tucson format]] of this file is special</ref>, 987-1976, Lauenen + div. Stao CH, 1250 m, {{coord|46|25|N|7|19|E|display=inline|region:CH_type:country}}, [[Fritz Schweingruber]]
*{{itrdb|swit177|europe|w}}<ref>The [[tucson format]] of this file is special</ref>, 987-1976, Lauenen + div. Stao CH, 1250 m, {{coord|46|25|N|7|19|E|display=inline|region:CH_type:country}}, [[Fritz Schweingruber]]
*{{itrdb|swit169|europe|w}}, 1562-1986, Simmental, Iffigenalp, 1900 m, {{coord|46|24|N|7|26|E|display=inline|region:CH_type:country}}, Fritz Schweingruber
*{{itrdb|swit169|europe|w}}, 1562-1986, Simmental, Iffigenalp, 1900 m, {{coord|46|24|N|7|26|E|display=inline|region:CH_type:country}}, Fritz Schweingruber
*{{itrdb|swit215|europe}}, 1739-1998, Beatenberg, 1515 m, {{coord|48|00|N|7|46|E|display=inline|region:FR_type:country}}<ref>The latitude seems not to be correct. Beatenberg would rather be something like {{coord|46|41|N|7|46|E|display=inline|region:FR_type:country}}</ref>, [[P. Cherubini]]
*{{itrdb|swit184|europe}}, 1773-1999, Muotathal SZ Bödmerenwald, 1550 m, {{coord|46|59|N|8|51|E|display=inline|region:CH_type:country}}, Christof Bigler
*{{itrdb|swit184|europe}}, 1773-1999, Muotathal SZ Bödmerenwald, 1550 m, {{coord|46|59|N|8|51|E|display=inline|region:CH_type:country}}, Christof Bigler
*{{itrdb|swit173|europe|w}}, 1537-1995, Obersaxen, Meierhof, GR, 1520 m, {{coord|46|44|N|9|5|E|display=inline|region:CH_type:country}}, Fritz Schweingruber
*{{itrdb|swit173|europe|w}}, 1537-1995, Obersaxen, Meierhof, GR, 1520 m, {{coord|46|44|N|9|5|E|display=inline|region:CH_type:country}}, Fritz Schweingruber
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*{{itrdb|germ040|europe}}, 1734-1995, Falkenstein, 1325m, {{coord|49|06|N|13|20|E|display=inline|region:DE_type:country}}, Rob Wilson
*{{itrdb|germ040|europe}}, 1734-1995, Falkenstein, 1325m, {{coord|49|06|N|13|20|E|display=inline|region:DE_type:country}}, Rob Wilson
*{{itrdb|germ033|europe}}, 1828-1997, Arber, 1420 m, {{coord|49|07|N|13|08|E|display=inline|region:DE_type:country}}, Rob Wilson
*{{itrdb|germ033|europe}}, 1828-1997, Arber, 1420 m, {{coord|49|07|N|13|08|E|display=inline|region:DE_type:country}}, Rob Wilson
*ITRDB:germ107-147 (except germ123), historical [[PCAB]]-timber found i Regensburg etc, in Bavaria, Rob Wilson, 1456-1929, {{coord|49|0|N|12|0|E|display=inline|region:DE_type:country}}. Compiled versions [http://taxelson.se/dendro/BayernPCABHistITRDB.zip available here]. (Note: only very few violins seems to be datable towards this collection.)


===Rest of Germany===
===Rest of Germany===
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*{{itrdb|czec3|europe}} (revised), 1771-1943, Beskid Mountains, {{coord|49|50|N|18|20|E|display=inline|region:CZ_type:country}}, Becker  
*{{itrdb|czec3|europe}} (revised), 1771-1943, Beskid Mountains, {{coord|49|50|N|18|20|E|display=inline|region:CZ_type:country}}, Becker  
*{{itrdb|czec|europe}}, 1701-1943, Beskid Mountains, [[ABAL]], {{coord|49|50|N|18|20|E|display=inline|region:CZ_type:country}}, Becker
*{{itrdb|czec|europe}}, 1701-1943, Beskid Mountains, [[ABAL]], {{coord|49|50|N|18|20|E|display=inline|region:CZ_type:country}}, Becker
*{{itrdb|pola022|europe}} ({{itrdbtmp|pola022}}), 1687-2004, BabiaGora, Poland, 1300 m, {{coord|49|35|N|19|03|E|display=inline|region:PL_type:country}}, U. Büntgen, R. Kaszka, J. Esper, D. Frank, A. Verstege
*{{itrdb|pola022|europe}}, 1687-2004, BabiaGora, Poland, 1300 m, {{coord|49|35|N|19|03|E|display=inline|region:PL_type:country}}, U. Büntgen, R. Kaszka, J. Esper, D. Frank, A. Verstege
*{{itrdb|pola019|europe}}, 1747-1978, Swistowko, Wyznig, 1500 m, {{coord|49|15|N|19|55|E|display=inline|region:PL_type:country}}, Fritz Schweingruber
*{{itrdb|pola019|europe}}, 1747-1978, Swistowko, Wyznig, 1500 m, {{coord|49|15|N|19|55|E|display=inline|region:PL_type:country}}, Fritz Schweingruber
*{{itrdb|pola020|europe}}, 1788-1964, Gasienicowy, 1500 m, {{coord|49|15|N|19|55|E|display=inline|region:PL_type:country}}, Fritz Schweingruber
*{{itrdb|pola020|europe}}, 1788-1964, Gasienicowy, 1500 m, {{coord|49|15|N|19|55|E|display=inline|region:PL_type:country}}, Fritz Schweingruber
*{{itrdb|roma002|europe}}(revised), 1820-1981, Novaci, 1650 m, {{coord|45|18|N|23|40|E|display=inline|region:RO_type:country}}, Fritz Schweingruber
*{{itrdb|roma002|europe}}(revised), 1820-1981, Novaci, 1650 m, {{coord|45|18|N|23|40|E|display=inline|region:RO_type:country}}, Fritz Schweingruber
*{{itrdb|roma005|europe}} ({{itrdbtmp|roma005}}), 1884-1981, Agarasului, Romania, 1600m, {{coord|45|33|N|24|02|E|display=inline|region:RO_type:country}}, R. Kaszka U. Büntgen
*{{itrdb|roma005|europe}}, 1884-1981, Agarasului, Romania, 1600m, {{coord|45|33|N|24|02|E|display=inline|region:RO_type:country}}, R. Kaszka U. Büntgen


===Balkan===
===Balkan===
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* '''Messiah Violin''', {{itrdb|brit050|europe}}, 1587-1686, Henri D. Grissino-Mayer, Paul R. Sheppard, Malcolm K. Cleaveland
* '''Messiah Violin''', {{itrdb|brit050|europe}}, 1587-1686, Henri D. Grissino-Mayer, Paul R. Sheppard, Malcolm K. Cleaveland


*'''MITT1''', ''Mittenwald Neuner School Violin 1'', {{itrdb|germ062|europe}}, 1490-1803<ref>The sample in ITRDB seems to be dated 1 year too late</ref> {{coord|47|26|N|11|15|E|display=inline|region:DE_type:state}}, [[Peter Ratcliff]]
*'''MITT1''', ''Mittenwald Neuner School Violin 1'', {{itrdb|germ062|europe}}, 1490-1803 {{coord|47|26|N|11|15|E|display=inline|region:DE_type:state}}, [[Peter Ratcliff]]


*'''MITT2''', ''Mittenwald Neuner School Violin 2'', {{itrdb|germ063|updates}}, 1605-1805, Peter Ratcliff
*'''MITT2''', ''Mittenwald Neuner School Violin 2'', {{itrdb|germ063|europe}}, 1605-1805, Peter Ratcliff


*'''JJAIS''', ''Mittenwald Johannes Jais Violin'', {{itrdb|germ064|europe}}, 1630-1793, Peter Ratcliff
*'''JJAIS''', ''Mittenwald Johannes Jais Violin'', {{itrdb|germ064|europe}}, 1630-1793, Peter Ratcliff


*'''BAR''', ''Barnabetti French Violin'', {{itrdb|fran040|europe}} ({{itrdbtmp|fran040}}), 1803-1910<ref>The sample in ITRDB seems to be dated 1 year too late</ref>, Peter Ratcliff
*'''BAR''', ''Barnabetti French Violin'', {{itrdb|fran040|europe}}, 1803-1910, Peter Ratcliff
 
* '''ENG_DB''', ''Chilton English Double Bass'', {{itrdb|swit194|europe}}, 1713-1835, (1500 m, 47 N, 9 E), Peter Ratcliff<ref>Syntax error: the end marks should be -9999 and not 999 in this [[Tucson-format|rwl-file]].</ref>


===Central Europe===
===Central Europe===
*'''[[Eost01]]''', Violin by Erik Östberg, Svärdsjö, Sweden. Wood from Germany (best towards germ14, Bayerischer Wald), 1870-1961, [[B. Israels]]
*'''[[Eost01]]''', Violin by Erik Östberg, Svärdsjö, Sweden. Wood from Germany (best towards germ14, Bayerischer Wald), 1870-1961, [[B. Israels]]
* '''[[cel9]]''', Cello, probably Hungary 20'th cent. 1813-1934, (false label: Genua 1775), Bohemia area?, T. Axelson ([http://www2.hemsida.net/taxelson/dendro/obj/cel9.pdf dating report])
* '''[[cel9]]''', Cello, probably Hungary 20'th cent. 1813-1934, (label states: Genua 1775), Bohemia area?, T. Axelson ([http://taxelson.se/dendro/obj/cel9.pdf dating report])
* '''[[SfFHM1]]''', pucket string instrument (Mandola/Guitar hybrid?) without labels, probably Bayerischer Wald or around?, 1814-1911, T. Axelson
 
===="''Der [[Musikwinkel]]''" (Markneukirchen and around)====
{{coord|50|18|39|N|12|19|45|E|display=inline|region:DE_type:state}}. In the late 19'th and to the WW2 aproximately 80% of all violins were produced in this area. Especially as we do not have any regional chronologies from this are it is of great value if we can gather and publish measurements from many instruments from this area. So far only a few are available.
 
* '''[[Ekeb10]]''', violin, likely from the Markneukirchen area, (pattern is disturbed with a growth decrease after 1877. 1775-1890 (mean of the two "butterflied" sides), [[T. Axelson]]
* '''[[Ekeb14]]''', violin, label: "Stjärnan, Osby" (Obviously a Swedish reseller), possibly [[Schönbach]], Böhmen<ref>Sören Ekebjörns, oral</ref>. Old imitation. The instrument is skillfully made. 1842-1905 (mean of the two "butterflied" sides), T. Axelson
* '''[[Fi010]]''', violin Label: "Nach Straduarius" and a signature. Measurements from a photo taken at Dan Andersson Museum, Ludvika (Late rings a bit uncertain according to a bit low resolution). 1841-1916 (mean of the two "butterflied" sides), T. Axelson
* '''[[SfFHM1]]''', pucket string instrument (Mandola/Guitar hybrid?) without labels, wood probably from Bayerischer Wald or around. (It is likely that also this instrument is from the "Musikwinkel" or around), 1814-1911 (mean of the two "butterflied" sides), T. Axelson
* '''[[ViJA1]]''', violin, measured from photo, unfortunately with a bit too low resolution), 1831-1895 (mean of the two "butterflied" sides), T. Axelson


===Scandinavia===
===Scandinavia===

Latest revision as of 19:11, 18 May 2011

The top of instruments in the violin family are usually made of Picea abies wood and the wood structure is visible. It is therefore possible to measure the rings and match them towards available spruce (and fir) references. Useful references from central European mountains are listed below. But often the best matches are found towards other instruments, but unfortunately only quite a few ring series from instruments are published yet. Those we are aware of are listed below.

References potentially useful for dating violins

Picea abies (PCAB) if not other stated. The timespan may be according to a truncated version in order to avoid ends with two small sample depth.

The Alps

Bayerischer Wald

Rest of Germany

Sudety Mountains

Carpathian Mountains

Balkan

Appenine Mountains

Scandinavian PCAB-references

Measurements from single instruments

Alpine region

  • GuA23, Cello, probably French 18'th cent, 1557-1717, Wood from the Alps, T. Axelson. (Measurements from a very low resolution image.)
  • Archinto Viola, ITRDB: brit051.rwl info, 1527-1685, Henri D. Grissino-Mayer, Paul R. Sheppard, Malcolm K. Cleaveland
  • Messiah Violin, ITRDB: brit050.rwl info, 1587-1686, Henri D. Grissino-Mayer, Paul R. Sheppard, Malcolm K. Cleaveland

Central Europe

  • Eost01, Violin by Erik Östberg, Svärdsjö, Sweden. Wood from Germany (best towards germ14, Bayerischer Wald), 1870-1961, B. Israels
  • cel9, Cello, probably Hungary 20'th cent. 1813-1934, (label states: Genua 1775), Bohemia area?, T. Axelson (dating report)

"Der Musikwinkel" (Markneukirchen and around)

50°18′39″N 12°19′45″E. In the late 19'th and to the WW2 aproximately 80% of all violins were produced in this area. Especially as we do not have any regional chronologies from this are it is of great value if we can gather and publish measurements from many instruments from this area. So far only a few are available.

  • Ekeb10, violin, likely from the Markneukirchen area, (pattern is disturbed with a growth decrease after 1877. 1775-1890 (mean of the two "butterflied" sides), T. Axelson
  • Ekeb14, violin, label: "Stjärnan, Osby" (Obviously a Swedish reseller), possibly Schönbach, Böhmen[4]. Old imitation. The instrument is skillfully made. 1842-1905 (mean of the two "butterflied" sides), T. Axelson
  • Fi010, violin Label: "Nach Straduarius" and a signature. Measurements from a photo taken at Dan Andersson Museum, Ludvika (Late rings a bit uncertain according to a bit low resolution). 1841-1916 (mean of the two "butterflied" sides), T. Axelson
  • SfFHM1, pucket string instrument (Mandola/Guitar hybrid?) without labels, wood probably from Bayerischer Wald or around. (It is likely that also this instrument is from the "Musikwinkel" or around), 1814-1911 (mean of the two "butterflied" sides), T. Axelson
  • ViJA1, violin, measured from photo, unfortunately with a bit too low resolution), 1831-1895 (mean of the two "butterflied" sides), T. Axelson

Scandinavia

  • Marn01, Violin used in Dalarna, Sweden. Rather local wood, no label, 1831-1924, B. Israels

Notes

  1. The tucson format of this file is special
  2. The latitude seems not to be correct. Beatenberg would rather be something like 46°41′N 7°46′E
  3. Syntax error: the end marks should be -9999 and not 999 in this rwl-file.
  4. Sören Ekebjörns, oral