List of references useful for violins: Difference between revisions

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The top of instruments in the violin family are usually made of Picea abies wood and the wood structure is visible. It is therefore possible to measure the rings and match them towards available spruce (and fir) references. Useful references from central European mountains are listed below. But often the best matches are found towards other instruments, but unfortunately only quite a few ring series from instruments are published yet. They we are aware of are listed below.

References potentially useful for dating violins

Picea abies (PCAB) if not other stated. The timespan may be according to a truncated version in order to avoid ends with two small sample depth.

The Alps

ITRDB: swit177.rwl info^[1], 987-1976, Lauenen + div. Stao CH, 1250 m, 46°25′N 7°19′E, Fritz Schweingruber
ITRDB: swit169.rwl info, 1562-1986, Simmental, Iffigenalp, 1900 m, 46°24′N 7°26′E, Fritz Schweingruber
ITRDB: swit184.rwl info, 1773-1999, Muotathal SZ Bödmerenwald, 1550 m, 46°59′N 8°51′E, Christof Bigler
ITRDB: swit173.rwl info, 1537-1995, Obersaxen, Meierhof, GR, 1520 m, 46°44′N 9°5′E, Fritz Schweingruber
ITRDB: swit181.rwl info, 1774-1999, Davos GR Dischma-Flüela, 1800 m, 46°47′N 09°53′E, Christof Bigler
ITRDB: aust003.rwl info, 1301-1974, Obergurgl, 46°52′N 11°01′E, Giertz
ITRDB: aust007.rwl info, 1774-1975, Stubaital, Milderaun Alm, 1850 m, 47°08′N 11°17′E, Fritz Schweingruber
ITRDB: germ12.rwl info, 1599-1961, Kreuth, ABAL, 47°38′N 11°45′E, Becker
ITRDB: germ11.rwl info, 1700-1961, Kreuth, 47°23′N 11°45′E, Becker
ITRDB: ital007.rwl info, 1686-1975, Cortina dAmpezzo (Süd), 1820 m, 46°32′N 12°04′E, Fritz Schweingruber
ITRDB: ital006.rwl info, 1745-1975, Cortina dAmpezzo (Nord), 1820 m, 46°32′N 12°04′E, Fritz Schweingruber
ITRDB: ital025.rwl info, 1725-1990, Fodara Vedla Alm, 1970 m, 46°38′N 12°06′E, Huesken W.

Bayerischer Wald

ITRDB: germ036.rwl info, 1837-1996, Sinzing, 425 m, 48°58′N 11°59′E, Rob Wilson
ITRDB: germ4.rwl info, 1572-1951 (truncated), Bayerischer Wald, ABAL, 48°45′N 13°00′E, Becker
ITRDB: germ5.rwl info, 1541-1963, Bayerischer Wald, ABAL, 48°45′N 13°00′E, Becker
ITRDB: germ14.rwl info, 1642-1953, Bayerischer Wald, 48°45′N 13°00′E, Becker
ITRDB: germ040.rwl info, 1734-1995, Falkenstein, 1325m, 49°06′N 13°20′E, Rob Wilson
ITRDB: germ033.rwl info, 1828-1997, Arber, 1420 m, 49°07′N 13°08′E, Rob Wilson

Rest of Germany

ITRDB: germ020.rwl info, 1776-1977, Andreasberg Harz Schluft, 900 m, 51°43′N 10°34′E, Fritz Schweingruber

Sudety Mountains

ITRDB: czec001.rwl info, 1798-1991, Krkonose mountains, Upper Labe valley, northern slope, 1000 m, 50°45′N 15°33′E, C. Sander, D. Eckstein, J. Dobry, J. Kyncl
ITRDB: czec002.rwl info, 1802-1990, Krkonose mountains, Upper Labe valley, southern slope, 1150 m, 50°45′N 15°33′E, C. Sander, D. Eckstein, J. Dobry, J. Kyncl

Carpathian Mountains

ITRDB: czec3.rwl info (revised), 1771-1943, Beskid Mountains, 49°50′N 18°20′E, Becker
ITRDB: czec.rwl info, 1701-1943, Beskid Mountains, ABAL, 49°50′N 18°20′E, Becker
ITRDB: pola019.rwl info, 1747-1978, Swistowko, Wyznig, 1500 m, 49°15′N 19°55′E, Fritz Schweingruber
ITRDB: pola020.rwl info, 1788-1964, Gasienicowy, 1500 m, 49°15′N 19°55′E, Fritz Schweingruber
ITRDB: roma002.rwl info(revised), 1820-1981, Novaci, 1650 m, 45°18′N 23°40′E, Fritz Schweingruber

Balkan

ITRDB: yugo001.rwl info, 1760-1981, Vrsic, Krajanska Gora, 1600 m, 46°28′N 13°45′E, Fritz Schweingruber
ITRDB: slov001.rwl info, 1811-1992, BISTRA, ABAL, 550 m, 45°56′N 14°19′E, K. Cufar T. Levanic

Appenine Mountains

ITRDB: ital022.rwl info, 1682-1973, Pratomagno-Bibbiena, Appenine Mountains, ABSP, 1050 m, 43°40′N 11°46′E, Bernd Becker

Scandinavian PCAB-references

See The PCAB-section of the general Scandinavian list

Measurements from single instruments

Alpine region

GuA23, Cello, probably French 18'th cent, 1557-1717, Wood from the Alps, T. Axelson. (Measurements from a very low resolution image.)

Karr-Koussevitsky double bass, 1445-1761, H.D.Grissino-Mayer, G.G.Deweese, D.A. Williams, TREE-RING RESEARCH, Vol. 61(2), 2005, pp. 77–86

Kux/Castelbarco Viola, ITRDB: brit052.rwl info, 1559-1683, Henri D. Grissino-Mayer, Paul R. Sheppard, Malcolm K. Cleaveland

Messiah Violin, ITRDB: brit050.rwl info, 1587-1686, Henri D. Grissino-Mayer, Paul R. Sheppard, Malcolm K. Cleaveland

MITT1, Mittenwald Neuner School Violin 1, ITRDB: germ062.rwl info (ITRDB (updates): germ062.rwl info), 1490-1803^[2] 47°26′N 11°15′E, Peter Ratcliff

MITT2, Mittenwald Neuner School Violin 2, ITRDB: germ063.rwl info (ITRDB (updates): germ063.rwl info), 1605-1805, Peter Ratcliff

JJAIS, Mittenwald Johannes Jais Violin, ITRDB: germ064.rwl info (ITRDB (updates): germ064.rwl info), 1630-1793, Peter Ratcliff

Central Europe

Eost01, Violin by Erik Östberg, Svärdsjö, Sweden. Wood from Germany (best towards germ14, Bayrische Wald), 1870-1961, B. Israels
cel9, Cello, probably Hungary 20'th cent. 1813-1934, (false label: Genua 1775), Bohemia area?, T. Axelson (dating report)

Scandinavia

Marn01, Violin used in Dalarna, Sweden. Rater local wood, no label, 1831-1924, B. Israels

Notes

↑ The tucson format of this file is special
↑ The sample in ITRDB seems to be dated 1 year too late

[1] The tucson format of this file is special

[2] The sample in ITRDB seems to be dated 1 year too late

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[2]

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 *{{itrdb|swit177|europe|w}}<ref>The [[tucson format]] of this file is special</ref>, 987-1976, Lauenen + div. Stao CH, 1250 m, {{coord|46|25|N|7|19|E|display=inline|region:CH_type:country}}, [[Fritz Schweingruber]]
 *{{itrdb|swit169|europe|w}}, 1562-1986, Simmental, Iffigenalp, 1900 m, {{coord|46|24|N|7|26|E|display=inline|region:CH_type:country}}, Fritz Schweingruber
-*{{itrdb|swit184|europe}}, 1773-1999, Muotathal SZ Bödmerenwald, 1550 m, {{coord|46|59|N|8|51|E|display=inline|region:CH_type:country}}, Christof Bigler
+*{{itrdb|swit184|europe}}, 1773-1999, Muotathal SZ Bödmerenwald, 1550 m, {{coord|46|59|N|8|51|E|display=inline|region:CH_type:country}}, [[Christof Bigler]]
-*{{itrdb|swit173|europe|w}}, 1537-1995, Obersaxen, Meierhof, GR, 1520 m, {{coord|46|44|N|9|5|E|display=inline|region:CH_type:country}}, [[Fritz Schweingruber]]
+*{{itrdb|swit173|europe|w}}, 1537-1995, Obersaxen, Meierhof, GR, 1520 m, {{coord|46|44|N|9|5|E|display=inline|region:CH_type:country}}, Fritz Schweingruber
-*{{itrdb|swit181|europe}}, 1774-1999, Davos GR Dischma-Flüela, 1800 m, {{coord|46|47|N|09|53|E|display=inline|region:CH_type:country}}, [[Christof Bigler]]
+*{{itrdb|swit181|europe}}, 1774-1999, Davos GR Dischma-Flüela, 1800 m, {{coord|46|47|N|09|53|E|display=inline|region:CH_type:country}}, Christof Bigler
 *{{itrdb|aust003|europe}}, 1301-1974, Obergurgl, {{coord|46|52|N|11|01|E|display=inline|region:AT_type:country}}, [[Giertz]]
 *{{itrdb|aust007|europe}}, 1774-1975, Stubaital, Milderaun Alm, 1850 m, {{coord|47|08|N|11|17|E|display=inline|region:AT_type:country}}, Fritz Schweingruber
-*{{itrdb|germ12|europe}}, 1599-1961, Kreuth, [[ABAL]], {{coord|47|38|N|11|45|E|display=inline|region:DE_type:country}}, Becker
+*{{itrdb|germ12|europe}}, 1599-1961, Kreuth, [[ABAL]], {{coord|47|38|N|11|45|E|display=inline|region:DE_type:country}}, [[Becker]]
 *{{itrdb|germ11|europe}}, 1700-1961, Kreuth, {{coord|47|23|N|11|45|E|display=inline|region:DE_type:country}}, Becker
 *{{itrdb|ital007|europe}}, 1686-1975, Cortina dAmpezzo (Süd), 1820 m, {{coord|46|32|N|12|04|E|display=inline|region:IT_type:country}}, Fritz Schweingruber
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 ===Bayerischer Wald===
-*{{itrdb|germ036|europe}}, 1837-1996, Sinzing, 425 m, {{coord|48|58|N|11|59|E|display=inline|region:DE_type:country}}, Rob Wilson
+*{{itrdb|germ036|europe}}, 1837-1996, Sinzing, 425 m, {{coord|48|58|N|11|59|E|display=inline|region:DE_type:country}}, [[Rob Wilson]]
 *{{itrdb|germ4|europe}}, 1572-1951 (truncated), Bayerischer Wald, [[ABAL]], {{coord|48|45|N|13|00|E|display=inline|region:DE_type:country}}, Becker
 *{{itrdb|germ5|europe}}, 1541-1963, Bayerischer Wald, [[ABAL]], {{coord|48|45|N|13|00|E|display=inline|region:DE_type:country}}, Becker
 *{{itrdb|germ14|europe}}, 1642-1953, Bayerischer Wald, {{coord|48|45|N|13|00|E|display=inline|region:DE_type:country}}, Becker
-*{{itrdb|germ040|europe}}, 1734-1995, Falkenstein, 1325m, {{coord|49|06|N|13|20|E|display=inline|region:DE_type:country}}, [[Rob Wilson]]
+*{{itrdb|germ040|europe}}, 1734-1995, Falkenstein, 1325m, {{coord|49|06|N|13|20|E|display=inline|region:DE_type:country}}, Rob Wilson
 *{{itrdb|germ033|europe}}, 1828-1997, Arber, 1420 m, {{coord|49|07|N|13|08|E|display=inline|region:DE_type:country}}, Rob Wilson
@@ Line 32: / Line 32: @@
 ===Sudety Mountains===
 *{{itrdb|czec001|europe}}, 1798-1991, Krkonose mountains, Upper Labe valley, northern slope, 1000 m, {{coord|50|45|N|15|33|E|display=inline|region:CZ_type:country}}, [[C. Sander]], [[D. Eckstein]], [[J. Dobry]], [[J. Kyncl]]
-*{{itrdb|czec002|europe}}, 1802-1990, Krkonose mountains, Upper Labe valley, southern slope, 1150 m, {{coord|50|45|N|15|33|E|display=inline|region:CZ_type:country}}, [[C. Sander]], [[D. Eckstein]], [[J. Dobry]], [[J. Kyncl]]
+*{{itrdb|czec002|europe}}, 1802-1990, Krkonose mountains, Upper Labe valley, southern slope, 1150 m, {{coord|50|45|N|15|33|E|display=inline|region:CZ_type:country}}, C. Sander, D. Eckstein, J. Dobry, J. Kyncl
 ===Carpathian Mountains===
 *{{itrdb|czec3|europe}} (revised), 1771-1943, Beskid Mountains, {{coord|49|50|N|18|20|E|display=inline|region:CZ_type:country}}, Becker
-*{{itrdb|czec|europe}}, 1701-1943, Beskid Mountains, [[ABAL]], {{coord|49|50|N|18|20|E|display=inline|region:CZ_type:country}}, [[Becker]]
+*{{itrdb|czec|europe}}, 1701-1943, Beskid Mountains, [[ABAL]], {{coord|49|50|N|18|20|E|display=inline|region:CZ_type:country}}, Becker
 *{{itrdb|pola019|europe}}, 1747-1978, Swistowko, Wyznig, 1500 m, {{coord|49|15|N|19|55|E|display=inline|region:PL_type:country}}, Fritz Schweingruber
 *{{itrdb|pola020|europe}}, 1788-1964, Gasienicowy, 1500 m, {{coord|49|15|N|19|55|E|display=inline|region:PL_type:country}}, Fritz Schweingruber
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 ===Alpine region===
 *'''[[GuA23]]''', Cello, probably French 18'th cent, 1557-1717, Wood from the Alps, [[T. Axelson]]. (Measurements from a very low resolution image.)
-*'''JJAIS''', ''Mittenwald Johannes Jais Violin'', {{itrdb|germ064|europe}} ({{itrdbtmp|germ064}}), 1630-1793, [[Peter Ratcliff]]
 *'''[http://www.treeringsociety.org/TRBTRR/TRRvol61_2_77-86.pdf Karr-Koussevitsky double bass]''', 1445-1761, [[H.D.Grissino-Mayer]], [[G.G.Deweese]], [[D.A. Williams]], TREE-RING RESEARCH, Vol. 61(2), 2005, pp. 77–86
@@ Line 63: / Line 61: @@
 * '''Messiah Violin''', {{itrdb|brit050|europe}}, 1587-1686, Henri D. Grissino-Mayer, Paul R. Sheppard, Malcolm K. Cleaveland
-*'''MITT1''', ''Mittenwald Neuner School Violin 1'', {{itrdb|germ062|europe}} ({{itrdbtmp|germ062}}), 1490-1803<ref>The sample in ITRDB seems to be dated 1 year too late</ref>, Peter Ratcliff
+*'''MITT1''', ''Mittenwald Neuner School Violin 1'', {{itrdb|germ062|europe}} ({{itrdbtmp|germ062}}), 1490-1803<ref>The sample in ITRDB seems to be dated 1 year too late</ref> {{coord|47|26|N|11|15|E|display=inline|region:DE_type:state}}, [[Peter Ratcliff]]
 *'''MITT2''', ''Mittenwald Neuner School Violin 2'', {{itrdb|germ063|updates}} ({{itrdbtmp|germ063}}), 1605-1805, Peter Ratcliff
+*'''JJAIS''', ''Mittenwald Johannes Jais Violin'', {{itrdb|germ064|europe}} ({{itrdbtmp|germ064}}), 1630-1793, Peter Ratcliff
 ===Central Europe===

List of references useful for violins: Difference between revisions

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Contents

References potentially useful for dating violins

The Alps

Bayerischer Wald

Rest of Germany

Sudety Mountains

Carpathian Mountains

Balkan

Appenine Mountains

Scandinavian PCAB-references

Measurements from single instruments

Alpine region

Central Europe

Scandinavia

Notes

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List of references useful for violins: Difference between revisions

Revision as of 15:12, 13 October 2009

References potentially useful for dating violins

The Alps

Bayerischer Wald

Rest of Germany

Sudety Mountains

Carpathian Mountains

Balkan

Appenine Mountains

Scandinavian PCAB-references

Measurements from single instruments

Alpine region

Central Europe

Scandinavia

Notes

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