On dating certainty |
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There is a marked match at relative year 313 with a correlation value of 0.80
This seems to be an obvious match - and surely it is! |
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Then we had got this list: 237 0.31 90
We cannot honestly say that this looks like a hit especially with that no difference in correlation value between the best and the next best match. So we have to say "we cannot date that sample"!
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This does not look as a good match, but it is nevertheless the best with the difference between the best and next best value at BNDiff = 0.06 |
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Later we extend our reference curve and then we find the actual match as shown above. |
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How to know
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Uncorrelated curves: Nämdö (red) towards Torne Träsk |
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If we compare the whole Nämdö reference of 400 years towards that of Torne Träsk of 1500 years we have a correlation value of only 0.02 at the dating years, though the best matching points with both curves covering each other have correlation values around 0.17. For the rest of this demonstration, we will use three collections of samples which you can download from the ITRDB:
In Settings/Options for normalization and matching, see that the Blocklength is set at 100, that the block distance is at 20 and that the Least overlap in years... is set at 100. Use the command Collections/Create reference curve from big decadal file to open the file swed019w.rwl
Use the command Collections/Create new collection from decadal file to open the file swed302.rwl To uncheck those samples shorter than 100 years, click the command Collections/Uncheck too short samples See that "With block checking" is checked and click the button "Test towards reference".
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The top half-table shows matches grouped by correlation values.
The bottom half-table shows matches grouped by difference between best and next best correlation values (BNDiff).
If the Torne Träsk curve had been longer, we had probably seen even more matches with quite high correlation values and high BNDiff values. This means: If we only accept "datings" with a correlation value higher than 0.50 we will have few incorrect datings if the length of our samples are at least 100 years. Then we can expect the BNDiff value to be above 0.15. If our reference curve is short, we may find incorrect dating proposals like this with the same correlation value but with much higher BNDiff, as the chance of finding another quite good match is probably proportional to the length of the reference curve. So we cannot rely only on a high BNDiff. Though when we know that the dating of our sample surely falls within the range of the reference curve, then the BNDiff value is an important indicator. Note: The tables above are only printed when With block checking is ON (is checked)! |
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(Year number 20-119 of NM014 in swed302.rwl) |
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303 0.52 100 (1677) 1260 0.38 100 (720) 424 0.35 100 766 0.34 100 1302 0.33 100 with a 150 years long block, the correlation value for best match goes down for this sample:
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but still with the same samples with a length of at least 100 years, but overlay setting at 60 years. |
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I.e. short samples give quite high correlation values though they are incorrect datings! A low BNDiff value connected with a match is a good indicator that something is wrong with that matching. |
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Note epecially the TTest values near 6 based on incorrect datings! |
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Note:If we use thresholds which give 4% incorrect datings, we may sometimes end up with very unreliable datings.
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1. Set blocklength and least overlap to 100 in Settings/Options for normalization and matching. 2. Click Check all and then Collection/Uncheck too short samples 3. See that With block checking is checked. 4. Click the button Test towards rest of collection. |
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84% of the blocks tested had a correlation value above 0.55 at their best matching points with a difference between that correlation value and the next best correlation value (BNDiff) of at least 0.16 89% of the blocks tested had a BNDiff-value above 0.20 and no next best (incorrect dating) correlation value above 0.51. Usually there is one very best (correct) dating and several next best dating proposals. So even when the correct dating is outside of the reference curve, the BNDiff value is quite low for any (incorrect) dating inside the reference curve. |
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This indicates that only 11% of our 100 years long blocks from Nämdö can be dated towards this "nearby-curve" from Gotland. |
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The only way to get better dating in this case is to have several samples from Nämdö, match these together into quite a long sum-curve and correlate that towards the Gotland curve. To see how this works:
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We have created a sum-curve from Nämdö and correlated 100 years long blocks from that curve towards
the Gotland curve.
Compare that 90% to those only 11% of single 100 years long samples/blocks being datable! |
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Correct datings usually have a correlation value above 0.5 and a TTest value mostly above 6. These curves reveal something more: The oldest 190 years of the 400 year long Nämdö curve matches much better towards the Gotland curve (TTest= 9-10) than the more recent data. I do not know what this comes from. One interpretation is that the more recent data from Gotland is based on a very local population of trees - to be understood as a broader selection of Gotland samples would match better towards the Nämdö data - but this is only a speculation. |
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Let us check the limits for that way of doing dating! We will run blocks from the sum of the Nämdö curve towards the Torne Träsk curve and see how many incorrect dating proposals we get at two different block lenghts - 100 years and 150 years. 1. Click the Torne Träsk curve (swed019w.d12) and select it as the reference. 2. See that blocklength and overlap is set to 100 and blockdistance at 10 in Settings/Options for normalization... 3.Click the target collection. See that With block checking is checked. 4.Click the Test towards reference button. |
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Otherwise we will get too many incorrect dating proposals! Correlation coefficient 0.5 with a 100 year long block corresponds to a TTest value of 5.7 |
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Note, that the BNDiff values are all below 0.08 for the incorrect dating proposals in the table above! In this test we had only 27 blocks which were also overlapping each other to a high degree. So this test is not too statistically significant! But it gives an indication of what we may accept as a dating and especially it indicates what we may never accept! To assure that our datings are correct we should demand
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To get an intuitive feeling for what is a proper dating, you should experiment like this with your own data. If we have wood from places where trees grow more complacent - e.g. they always have sufficient with water - the reference curves with their standard deviations do not look as distinct as those shown above. They are more "fat and flat" which makes dating more difficult than shown here. Trees standing side by side may have very different ways of growing. If the roots of one tree
always reach into water and another tree is standing on a dry place, then the first tree will not be sensitive to dry periods
which will make the trees grow differently. So even if you feel sure that a sample "should match somewhere" that may not
be the case!
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A note on the normalization algorithm: All values shown above are based on correlation calculations on normalized growth curves which are created with the default normalization algorithm in CDendro, i.e. "proportion of last two years growth", see "Settings/Options for normalization and matching". If you use another algorithm to create normalized growth curves, you will not get the same correlation values as shown above. |
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The "Blockwise. Correct and best incorrect match" curve plots the correct-match-correlation value for each possible block of a certain length together with the next best (incorrect) correlation values. These curves show how well a correct match can be distinguished from incorrect matches. |
Extension of the crossdating quality test functionThe blockwise correct and best incorrect match plot has been extended.The diagram below shows how 100 years long blocks of a short (sum-)sample match towards a longer reference. |
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Curves 1,3,5 show correlation coefficient values, curves 2,4,6 show TTest values. Curve 1 (bold red) and 2 (bold blue): corr-values of a 100 years long block from the sample matched towards the reference at correct position. Curve 3 (thin red) and 4 (thin blue): Highest value found when other blocks are matched towards this same point, i.e. highest incorrect match found for this point. Curve 4 (orange) and 6 (violet): Highest value found when the block from "1 and 2" above is matched towards all other possible positions, i.e. next best value found. The distances between curve 1 (bold red) and curve 5 (thin orange) give an indication of the certainty of the matchings between the sample curve and the reference, i.e. correct and next best match. If the curves lay near each other there is no good discrimination between correct and incorrect matches. When the orange curve lay above the bold red curve, the reference curve alone is not usable for crossdating of the sample curve as highest correlation values are then related to incorrect matching points. |